Your Advice Please

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by digger06 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:17 pm

Cerberus73 wrote:the 250 superdreams are pants tbh... heavy as a 400 (same frame etc as the 400 superdream) and cos of that not much quicker than a CB125 of the day, if it was a CB250RS the single cylinder one, there a lovely bike.
my cb250 was real good, i stuck an xl500 motor in it,
surprised a lot of people when i accelerated away :D

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by Cerberus73 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:40 pm

yeah the RS used same motor as a XL.. just slight differences... would make for a lovely sleeper 250 but actually a 500.. and indeed modern 400's are lighter than most of the old 250's especially a superdream. hell that gs i have isn't much bigger or heavier than my kwak kh125

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by RoadCar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:31 pm

Well a 400 is more expensive to run than a 200/250 plus I am still restricted to 33bhp.

Jon

Re: Your Advice Please

Post by Jon » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:56 pm

RoadCar wrote:Well a 400 is more expensive to run than a 200/250 plus I am still restricted to 33bhp.
Honda claimed around 37 PS for the CB400/4 and the twin's about the same, maybe a tad less. Those figures at the crank on a brand new bike, carefully set-up and with new chains etc etc.
The 33 bhp limit does not say where it is taken from so can quite reliably be assumed to be power as it reaches the ground.

Having seen other bikes on dyno's I'd be very surprised if any 70's 400 cc bike made as much as a genuine 33 BHP at the wheel. more like 30 bhp...
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To put that into some perspective, the 12,000 rpm CB125T was claimed to make 17 BHP. A carefully tuned race bike based on that engine made 13 BHP at 13,000 rpm. If a 17 bhp 125 can lose 4 bhp between honda's 'P'S' at the flywheel' and BHP at the dyno's roller, I very much doubt a 37 p.s. bike will lose LESS than the same 4 BHP.

Another example...a late model XR250 was reckoned by Honda to be good for 30 BHP. On a rolling road, they typically make around 21 BHP.

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by davebike » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:52 am

A 250 super dream is as heavy as my CB500 but with 29 not 57bhp !! they were slugs when new must be horrible now !

I rate the CBF very highly I see several as customers the only issues I heard of is one customer who doesn't like the front tyre
and he also had issues with steering bearings not correctly fitted that are supposed to be checked at PDI and weren't!!
He also has a VFR800 and rides an R1200 for work (met police ) so he knowes a good bike

Used to run CD200 my self had a TA (6vt) converted to 12v for years hen got a TB that is still in the storage unit half converted to CB125TDC wheels and front end !!


Dave

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by RoadCar » Thu May 02, 2013 9:15 am

Some good advice there thanks.

Jon

Re: Your Advice Please

Post by Jon » Thu May 02, 2013 9:43 am

my advice (as in the one I would look for) would be the Honda 250 Nighthawk... Same engine as the Benly but in 250 form...here's one...a bit tarty but you get the idea...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Honda-CB ... 3a7fd64a08

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Re: Your Advice Please

Post by RoadCar » Fri May 03, 2013 11:45 am

guildbass wrote:my advice (as in the one I would look for) would be the Honda 250 Nighthawk... Same engine as the Benly but in 250 form...here's one...a bit tarty but you get the idea...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Honda-CB ... 3a7fd64a08
Had a look at this looks really nice.

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